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		<title>By: Ithaca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ithaca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2007 22:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have experienced sleep paralysis and night terrors on numerous occasions, but never in such a dramatic way as you.  I think that your experience sounds more like night terrors.  My memory of sleep paralysis is of lying in bed with my eyes open but being unable to move. Pretty unnerving, but night terrors are more scary and I have often woken up screaming and feeling terrified, but without any clear memory of what it was I was afraid of. Both sleep paralys and night terrors occur during non-REM sleep usually with one or two hours of going to sleep. I believe the conditions in my case to be caused by apnoeia the most recognizable symptoms of which are excessive snoring and a tendency to stop breathing while asleep.  I think that the night terrors start when I stop breathing.  One simple way of controlling it is to sleep on one's side.  I feel more comfortable lying on my back, but have recently been trying to train myself to sleep in my side and there has been a noticeable improvement...  There is a very informative website on the subject: www.nightterrors.org

I remember when I lived in the Middle East being told that sleep paralysis was caused by a djinn sitting on one's chest.    </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have experienced sleep paralysis and night terrors on numerous occasions, but never in such a dramatic way as you.  I think that your experience sounds more like night terrors.  My memory of sleep paralysis is of lying in bed with my eyes open but being unable to move. Pretty unnerving, but night terrors are more scary and I have often woken up screaming and feeling terrified, but without any clear memory of what it was I was afraid of. Both sleep paralys and night terrors occur during non-REM sleep usually with one or two hours of going to sleep. I believe the conditions in my case to be caused by apnoeia the most recognizable symptoms of which are excessive snoring and a tendency to stop breathing while asleep.  I think that the night terrors start when I stop breathing.  One simple way of controlling it is to sleep on one&#8217;s side.  I feel more comfortable lying on my back, but have recently been trying to train myself to sleep in my side and there has been a noticeable improvement&#8230;  There is a very informative website on the subject: <a href="http://www.nightterrors.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.nightterrors.org</a></p>
<p>I remember when I lived in the Middle East being told that sleep paralysis was caused by a djinn sitting on one&#8217;s chest.</p>
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		<title>By: fÃºstar</title>
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		<dc:creator>fÃºstar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2007 02:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tracker,

What you're describing sounds more like "Sleep Paralysis" to me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis

The classic "devil sitting on you" image, of course, is Henry Fuseli's "The Nightmare" which actually illustrates the above &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis"&gt;Wikipedia&lt;/a&gt; entry. 

I've experienced said paralysis on a few occasions and it's terrifying. The most vivid  time was many years ago when I â€œwoke upâ€? (or so I thought) to find myself unable to move. I felt the bed sheets being pulled back and then started to fall very slowly (face first) toward the floor. As I hit the carpet I felt something grab me by the back of the neck and drag me along the carpet toward the corner of the room. I even remember my brother sitting up in the opposite bed looking terrified as he saw me being pulled away! As suddenly as it started, however, it ended - with me jolting up in the bed, fully awake, but very badly shaken. 

The other times it happened (and it hasnâ€™t happened me for years)  I kept reminding myself to try and move a single digit - a toe or a finger. As soon as I managed that the spell of paralysis was broken and I was fully awake and fully functional. Once or twice I remember deciding to â€œgo with itâ€? - letting myself slip deeper and deeper into that curious paralysed state, just to see where it led. 

I donâ€™t really think I was awake on such occasions, but I didnâ€™t feel fully asleep either. It seems to be some kind of in-between state where the brain thinks itâ€™s awake but the subconscious (REM, dreamy) mind is still to the fore. Just as it can be mega-scary, it can also be a bit of a rush: allowing a weird sort of â€œconsciousâ€? access to the â€œunconsciousâ€? mind. I donâ€™t know any other situation in which that possibility can be so potently explored.

Of course, thatâ€™s not to say that some objective malevolence might not have been present in your case. Obviously I just donâ€™t know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tracker,</p>
<p>What you&#8217;re describing sounds more like &#8220;Sleep Paralysis&#8221; to me.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis</a></p>
<p>The classic &#8220;devil sitting on you&#8221; image, of course, is Henry Fuseli&#8217;s &#8220;The Nightmare&#8221; which actually illustrates the above <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis">Wikipedia</a> entry. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve experienced said paralysis on a few occasions and it&#8217;s terrifying. The most vivid  time was many years ago when I â€œwoke upâ€? (or so I thought) to find myself unable to move. I felt the bed sheets being pulled back and then started to fall very slowly (face first) toward the floor. As I hit the carpet I felt something grab me by the back of the neck and drag me along the carpet toward the corner of the room. I even remember my brother sitting up in the opposite bed looking terrified as he saw me being pulled away! As suddenly as it started, however, it ended - with me jolting up in the bed, fully awake, but very badly shaken. </p>
<p>The other times it happened (and it hasnâ€™t happened me for years)  I kept reminding myself to try and move a single digit - a toe or a finger. As soon as I managed that the spell of paralysis was broken and I was fully awake and fully functional. Once or twice I remember deciding to â€œgo with itâ€? - letting myself slip deeper and deeper into that curious paralysed state, just to see where it led. </p>
<p>I donâ€™t really think I was awake on such occasions, but I didnâ€™t feel fully asleep either. It seems to be some kind of in-between state where the brain thinks itâ€™s awake but the subconscious (REM, dreamy) mind is still to the fore. Just as it can be mega-scary, it can also be a bit of a rush: allowing a weird sort of â€œconsciousâ€? access to the â€œunconsciousâ€? mind. I donâ€™t know any other situation in which that possibility can be so potently explored.</p>
<p>Of course, thatâ€™s not to say that some objective malevolence might not have been present in your case. Obviously I just donâ€™t know.</p>
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		<title>By: tracker knacker</title>
		<link>http://www.fustar.info/2007/02/07/216/#comment-52272</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2007 01:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>remember that haunting i mentioned. I didn't believe shit right? but once or twice i woke up in a cold sweat and couldn't move.....felt a malicious presence in the room, even woke the girlfriend once - 'you alright?', 'yeah are you?' 'course i am think i believe in ghosts or something?' type of thing. I read up on it afterwards, put it down to temporal lobe epilepsy. That TLE?, thats a prime example of the crossover between paranormal and scientific. But either way - i nearly weed myself, and as far as i'm concerned, theres no conclusions. TLE is a global phenomenon, sure wasn't i just watchin a movie tonight Harsh Times with Christian Bale, and he wakes up with the shakes (he's a seriously traumatised american soldier returned from afghanistan). His country bumpkin mexican wife says, ' the devil was sitting on you' - and thats exactly how temporal lobe epilepsy feels!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>remember that haunting i mentioned. I didn&#8217;t believe shit right? but once or twice i woke up in a cold sweat and couldn&#8217;t move&#8230;..felt a malicious presence in the room, even woke the girlfriend once - &#8216;you alright?&#8217;, &#8216;yeah are you?&#8217; &#8216;course i am think i believe in ghosts or something?&#8217; type of thing. I read up on it afterwards, put it down to temporal lobe epilepsy. That TLE?, thats a prime example of the crossover between paranormal and scientific. But either way - i nearly weed myself, and as far as i&#8217;m concerned, theres no conclusions. TLE is a global phenomenon, sure wasn&#8217;t i just watchin a movie tonight Harsh Times with Christian Bale, and he wakes up with the shakes (he&#8217;s a seriously traumatised american soldier returned from afghanistan). His country bumpkin mexican wife says, &#8216; the devil was sitting on you&#8217; - and thats exactly how temporal lobe epilepsy feels!!!</p>
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		<title>By: cnuimh</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2007 01:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once again fÃºstar, a great post.

I do now recall a strange experience from the same night.

That night I was saved from a thorough pummelling by an elderly lady just as one of Limerick's finest decided I was fair game for a thrashing on account of my having made eye contact with him while making my way into town for the 'Termights night out' - the one we had both planned just before I left you in the company of your fateful Joy Division cassette. 

Just as I was bracing myself for the 'batin of a lifetime' (I was never a fighter) I heard the voice of an old lady which suggested that my attacker and I not 'be fightin all the time' (some fight, I was cowering!). I looked over my attacker's shoulder and saw a headscarved rosary-beed type making very slow progress along the deserted street (I was pinned to the wall). My assailant looked at her, then at me and walked away. I immediately went to thank the old dear for her intervention only to find the street deserted apart from my nemesis bounding away from me. Hard to know who she was, there were no side streets for her to hide in, she would not have had time to advance more than a few metres. 

All this took place before the night out, so we can't blame it on intoxication. A strange night indeed! Christ fÃºstar, I had forgotten about that segment of the eventful evening! Again, sometimes it's nice to have the odd mystery. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again fÃºstar, a great post.</p>
<p>I do now recall a strange experience from the same night.</p>
<p>That night I was saved from a thorough pummelling by an elderly lady just as one of Limerick&#8217;s finest decided I was fair game for a thrashing on account of my having made eye contact with him while making my way into town for the &#8216;Termights night out&#8217; - the one we had both planned just before I left you in the company of your fateful Joy Division cassette. </p>
<p>Just as I was bracing myself for the &#8216;batin of a lifetime&#8217; (I was never a fighter) I heard the voice of an old lady which suggested that my attacker and I not &#8216;be fightin all the time&#8217; (some fight, I was cowering!). I looked over my attacker&#8217;s shoulder and saw a headscarved rosary-beed type making very slow progress along the deserted street (I was pinned to the wall). My assailant looked at her, then at me and walked away. I immediately went to thank the old dear for her intervention only to find the street deserted apart from my nemesis bounding away from me. Hard to know who she was, there were no side streets for her to hide in, she would not have had time to advance more than a few metres. </p>
<p>All this took place before the night out, so we can&#8217;t blame it on intoxication. A strange night indeed! Christ fÃºstar, I had forgotten about that segment of the eventful evening! Again, sometimes it&#8217;s nice to have the odd mystery.</p>
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		<title>By: fÃºstar</title>
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		<dc:creator>fÃºstar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2007 01:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cnuimh,

Didn't you have a strange experience of your own that night? I was pretty drunk, but I remember a similarly freaky tale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cnuimh,</p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t you have a strange experience of your own that night? I was pretty drunk, but I remember a similarly freaky tale.</p>
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		<title>By: cnuimh</title>
		<link>http://www.fustar.info/2007/02/07/216/#comment-52256</link>
		<dc:creator>cnuimh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2007 00:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember the night the voice came through on the tape. At the time it left me feeling slightly terrified and probably (in retrospect) a little envious. Now, I think I'm happy enough to live in a world that doesn't have explanations for everything. If they're there, I'm more than happy to know them; if there is no explanation of a scientific nature, I'm equally happy to live with the mystery. It looks like you may well have been there SeÃ¡n!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember the night the voice came through on the tape. At the time it left me feeling slightly terrified and probably (in retrospect) a little envious. Now, I think I&#8217;m happy enough to live in a world that doesn&#8217;t have explanations for everything. If they&#8217;re there, I&#8217;m more than happy to know them; if there is no explanation of a scientific nature, I&#8217;m equally happy to live with the mystery. It looks like you may well have been there SeÃ¡n!</p>
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		<title>By: copernicus</title>
		<link>http://www.fustar.info/2007/02/07/216/#comment-52243</link>
		<dc:creator>copernicus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 22:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's pretty much how I remember the story too.</description>
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		<title>By: fÃºstar</title>
		<link>http://www.fustar.info/2007/02/07/216/#comment-52236</link>
		<dc:creator>fÃºstar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 21:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While it &lt;em&gt;was&lt;/em&gt; Brendan from Listowel who told the story (thanks for jogging the memory, copernicus), I'm fairly sure it was his &lt;em&gt;friend's&lt;/em&gt; brother who received the visits.

I do remember that "milk boy" had been visiting the chid for a long time and that the child never remembered  these encounters in the morning. As far as I recall the friend invited Brendan to sit in the kid's room one night to observe. Cue sleeping child, enter Milk Boy. Kid sits up and plays (happily)  with Milk Boy. Milk Boy disappears back where "he" came from. Kid returns to sleep none the worse for wear.

According to the story the family weren't concerned about it as they felt that Milk Boy was a wholly benevolent entity and that (if anything) "his" visits were making the young fella in question happier and more content.

Great story. I wish I could hear it told, properly, again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While it <em>was</em> Brendan from Listowel who told the story (thanks for jogging the memory, copernicus), I&#8217;m fairly sure it was his <em>friend&#8217;s</em> brother who received the visits.</p>
<p>I do remember that &#8220;milk boy&#8221; had been visiting the chid for a long time and that the child never remembered  these encounters in the morning. As far as I recall the friend invited Brendan to sit in the kid&#8217;s room one night to observe. Cue sleeping child, enter Milk Boy. Kid sits up and plays (happily)  with Milk Boy. Milk Boy disappears back where &#8220;he&#8221; came from. Kid returns to sleep none the worse for wear.</p>
<p>According to the story the family weren&#8217;t concerned about it as they felt that Milk Boy was a wholly benevolent entity and that (if anything) &#8220;his&#8221; visits were making the young fella in question happier and more content.</p>
<p>Great story. I wish I could hear it told, properly, again.</p>
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		<title>By: foolhardy</title>
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		<dc:creator>foolhardy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 17:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was this the same brother who used to beat him at chess by making up rules whenever he started losing? Years later, Brendan was shocked to discover that putting your knight on the back rank DIDN'T turn it in to a queen. Scurrilous behaviour of that sort makes me somewhat dubious about the existence of milk boy.
Otherwise, I might buy it though.

I still maintain it was Michael Jackson.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was this the same brother who used to beat him at chess by making up rules whenever he started losing? Years later, Brendan was shocked to discover that putting your knight on the back rank DIDN&#8217;T turn it in to a queen. Scurrilous behaviour of that sort makes me somewhat dubious about the existence of milk boy.<br />
Otherwise, I might buy it though.</p>
<p>I still maintain it was Michael Jackson.</p>
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		<title>By: copernicus</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 16:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sweet, Im back - Milk boy was the spectral child who used to visit Brendan from Listowel's (or his friend's, I'm a bit hazy) little brother after midnight, when they'd sit together on the edge of the bed in the darkness and chat and play.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sweet, Im back - Milk boy was the spectral child who used to visit Brendan from Listowel&#8217;s (or his friend&#8217;s, I&#8217;m a bit hazy) little brother after midnight, when they&#8217;d sit together on the edge of the bed in the darkness and chat and play.</p>
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		<title>By: copernicus</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 16:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yesterday, I tried to post a comment on milk boy, the details of which I remember rather thoroughly.  But spamguard liked me not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yesterday, I tried to post a comment on milk boy, the details of which I remember rather thoroughly.  But spamguard liked me not.</p>
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		<title>By: Ithaca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ithaca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 15:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the information Fustar.  As it happened over thirty-five years ago it is only recently retrieved snippets of memory that I have to go on and I had forgotten about the Raudive voices until I read your posting.  So Bonner was an electronics expert - for some reason I thought he sold cars.  I saw that Late Late Show but I do not remember very much about it other than what I have already recounted and that is not very accurate...  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the information Fustar.  As it happened over thirty-five years ago it is only recently retrieved snippets of memory that I have to go on and I had forgotten about the Raudive voices until I read your posting.  So Bonner was an electronics expert - for some reason I thought he sold cars.  I saw that Late Late Show but I do not remember very much about it other than what I have already recounted and that is not very accurate&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: foolhardy</title>
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		<dc:creator>foolhardy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 15:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holy shit!
I don't remember that at all. Some prompting usually helps but I'm drawing a blank. Perhaps I was out. 

The only spooky tale I recall is the one about the baby/baby murderers in the corner of the attic - I think you mentioned this in a previous post. There was also our landlady at the time who'd was fairly terrifying. Irrationality fused with a short temper always is.

I can't say I regret not being able to remember - sleep can be hard enough to come by without visions of milky headed humanoids arriving in my room after traversing the galaxy in search of refrigeration. 

Maybe it was Michael Jackson?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holy shit!<br />
I don&#8217;t remember that at all. Some prompting usually helps but I&#8217;m drawing a blank. Perhaps I was out. </p>
<p>The only spooky tale I recall is the one about the baby/baby murderers in the corner of the attic - I think you mentioned this in a previous post. There was also our landlady at the time who&#8217;d was fairly terrifying. Irrationality fused with a short temper always is.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t say I regret not being able to remember - sleep can be hard enough to come by without visions of milky headed humanoids arriving in my room after traversing the galaxy in search of refrigeration. </p>
<p>Maybe it was Michael Jackson?</p>
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		<title>By: fÃºstar</title>
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		<dc:creator>fÃºstar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 14:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>foolhardy,

It was some story about a kid who used to get visited at night in his bedroom by this featureless humanoid entity that looked like it was made out of milk! That's how I remember it anyway.

Great image...but details are sketchy.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>foolhardy,</p>
<p>It was some story about a kid who used to get visited at night in his bedroom by this featureless humanoid entity that looked like it was made out of milk! That&#8217;s how I remember it anyway.</p>
<p>Great image&#8230;but details are sketchy.</p>
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		<title>By: foolhardy</title>
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		<dc:creator>foolhardy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 11:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"milk boy"?
apologies FÃºstar, but I don't recall that at all.
Will mull over it but perhaps Copernicus would be more reliable.

I do know a guy who looks like the Milky Bar Kid but I doubt that's what you're after.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;milk boy&#8221;?<br />
apologies FÃºstar, but I don&#8217;t recall that at all.<br />
Will mull over it but perhaps Copernicus would be more reliable.</p>
<p>I do know a guy who looks like the Milky Bar Kid but I doubt that&#8217;s what you&#8217;re after.</p>
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