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		<title>By: Longman Oz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Longman Oz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 17:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;What surprised me, though, was the pass-back the keeper picked up. I thought those had been outlawed years before.&lt;/em&gt;

Think we have Italia 90 to thank for that one Kevin! It was a great rule introduction really!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>What surprised me, though, was the pass-back the keeper picked up. I thought those had been outlawed years before.</em></p>
<p>Think we have Italia 90 to thank for that one Kevin! It was a great rule introduction really!</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 15:43:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lovely, lovely goal. What surprised me, though, was the pass-back the keeper picked up. I thought those had been outlawed years before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lovely, lovely goal. What surprised me, though, was the pass-back the keeper picked up. I thought those had been outlawed years before.</p>
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		<title>By: Fergal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fergal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 14:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They had a real swagger about them in the 94 World Cup in particular. Their wins against Columbia and Argentina were two of the best games in that competition.

It occurs to me that as the years go by, I develop soft spots for more and more international teams. Even the Germans won me over two years ago. Give it another decade or so and there won't be a single team in World Football that I don't have a sentimental fondness for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They had a real swagger about them in the 94 World Cup in particular. Their wins against Columbia and Argentina were two of the best games in that competition.</p>
<p>It occurs to me that as the years go by, I develop soft spots for more and more international teams. Even the Germans won me over two years ago. Give it another decade or so and there won&#8217;t be a single team in World Football that I don&#8217;t have a sentimental fondness for.</p>
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		<title>By: fústar</title>
		<link>http://www.fustar.info/2008/06/02/orange-flakes/#comment-77531</link>
		<dc:creator>fústar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 14:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It seemed a ridiculous idea, as will, one day, the notion that Sweden, Romania and Czech Republic were once contenders.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Speaking of Romania, it should be noted that they (along with Italy &#038; France) are in Holland's "Group of Death".

Pundits have tended to see the group as a straight three-way shoot-out in which one of the "Big Three" will end up packing its bags and going home early. 

The Romanians deserve more credit that that. After all, they topped a qualifying group that contained - guess who? - Holland!

Not only that, but the Romanians can make (modest) claims to being another European embracer of "Brazilian" virtues. They were one of my favourite teams during the mid 90s and I'll be cheering 'em on again this year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It seemed a ridiculous idea, as will, one day, the notion that Sweden, Romania and Czech Republic were once contenders.</p></blockquote>
<p>Speaking of Romania, it should be noted that they (along with Italy &#038; France) are in Holland&#8217;s &#8220;Group of Death&#8221;.</p>
<p>Pundits have tended to see the group as a straight three-way shoot-out in which one of the &#8220;Big Three&#8221; will end up packing its bags and going home early. </p>
<p>The Romanians deserve more credit that that. After all, they topped a qualifying group that contained - guess who? - Holland!</p>
<p>Not only that, but the Romanians can make (modest) claims to being another European embracer of &#8220;Brazilian&#8221; virtues. They were one of my favourite teams during the mid 90s and I&#8217;ll be cheering &#8216;em on again this year.</p>
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		<title>By: fústar</title>
		<link>http://www.fustar.info/2008/06/02/orange-flakes/#comment-77530</link>
		<dc:creator>fústar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 14:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;To tie that back into the post above, the Irish team that scraped into Euro 88 was very much the tail-end of a generation of fine footballers that mostly managed to be less than the sum of their parts in the Irish jersey.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

'Tis true, but they did get &lt;em&gt;agonisingly&lt;/em&gt; close to (partially) fulfilling their potential. The most painful near miss was probably during the qualification for the 82 World Cup.

We beat Holland &#038; France in Dublin and only for a &lt;em&gt;very&lt;/em&gt; harshly disallowed Frank Stapleton goal at home against Belgium (and a very generously &lt;em&gt;allowed&lt;/em&gt; goal for the Belgians - after a blatant foul on 'keeper Jim McDonagh) then  Ireland would have been at the World Cup (as it was they missed out on goal difference).

Still, these are all ifs and buts. The more significant problems (as we mentioned in the comments of a previous post) were farcical mismanagement and disorganisation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>To tie that back into the post above, the Irish team that scraped into Euro 88 was very much the tail-end of a generation of fine footballers that mostly managed to be less than the sum of their parts in the Irish jersey.</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8216;Tis true, but they did get <em>agonisingly</em> close to (partially) fulfilling their potential. The most painful near miss was probably during the qualification for the 82 World Cup.</p>
<p>We beat Holland &#038; France in Dublin and only for a <em>very</em> harshly disallowed Frank Stapleton goal at home against Belgium (and a very generously <em>allowed</em> goal for the Belgians - after a blatant foul on &#8216;keeper Jim McDonagh) then  Ireland would have been at the World Cup (as it was they missed out on goal difference).</p>
<p>Still, these are all ifs and buts. The more significant problems (as we mentioned in the comments of a previous post) were farcical mismanagement and disorganisation.</p>
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		<title>By: Longman Oz</title>
		<link>http://www.fustar.info/2008/06/02/orange-flakes/#comment-77529</link>
		<dc:creator>Longman Oz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 13:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To tie that back into the post above, the Irish team that scraped into Euro 88 was very much the tail-end of a generation of fine footballers that mostly managed to be less than the sum of their parts in the Irish jersey.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To tie that back into the post above, the Irish team that scraped into Euro 88 was very much the tail-end of a generation of fine footballers that mostly managed to be less than the sum of their parts in the Irish jersey.</p>
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		<title>By: Fergal</title>
		<link>http://www.fustar.info/2008/06/02/orange-flakes/#comment-77528</link>
		<dc:creator>Fergal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 13:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The importance of the Dutch style is that it gives European teams a model for beautiful football. It would otherwise be all too easy to shrug "we can't be Brazil" when confronted with criticism about boring play. That this flamboyant style emerged not from the spicy Mediterranean or even &lt;em&gt;La Belle France&lt;/em&gt;, but from the solid burghers of the lowlands only reinforces this.

There's something terribly poignant about golden generations, I always think. When I watched the 86 world cup, the first one I can remember, I listened, disbelieving as my Dad told me that the Dutch, of all people, were once a powerhouse. It seemed a ridiculous idea, as will, one day, the notion that Sweden, Romania and Czech Republic were once contenders. But without a tournament victory in the record books, those golden generations disappear into history, and kids end up asking their Dads "&lt;em&gt;Hungary&lt;/em&gt;? Really?"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The importance of the Dutch style is that it gives European teams a model for beautiful football. It would otherwise be all too easy to shrug &#8220;we can&#8217;t be Brazil&#8221; when confronted with criticism about boring play. That this flamboyant style emerged not from the spicy Mediterranean or even <em>La Belle France</em>, but from the solid burghers of the lowlands only reinforces this.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s something terribly poignant about golden generations, I always think. When I watched the 86 world cup, the first one I can remember, I listened, disbelieving as my Dad told me that the Dutch, of all people, were once a powerhouse. It seemed a ridiculous idea, as will, one day, the notion that Sweden, Romania and Czech Republic were once contenders. But without a tournament victory in the record books, those golden generations disappear into history, and kids end up asking their Dads &#8220;<em>Hungary</em>? Really?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: fústar</title>
		<link>http://www.fustar.info/2008/06/02/orange-flakes/#comment-77527</link>
		<dc:creator>fústar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 13:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Everything you say about the Dutch seems fair enough. Although, they at least lifted that trophy in ‘88, unlike the Croatians or Portuguese, to name two other countries with recent “golden generation” teams.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The ultimate example of a "golden generation" making a balls of their potential was, surely, the Hungarian team of the 1950s. 

Nearly everyone who was around at the time describes them as the best team in the world by an absolute mile - yet the World Cup somehow eluded them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Everything you say about the Dutch seems fair enough. Although, they at least lifted that trophy in ‘88, unlike the Croatians or Portuguese, to name two other countries with recent “golden generation” teams.</p></blockquote>
<p>The ultimate example of a &#8220;golden generation&#8221; making a balls of their potential was, surely, the Hungarian team of the 1950s. </p>
<p>Nearly everyone who was around at the time describes them as the best team in the world by an absolute mile - yet the World Cup somehow eluded them.</p>
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		<title>By: fústar</title>
		<link>http://www.fustar.info/2008/06/02/orange-flakes/#comment-77526</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 13:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'd forgotten quite how beautiful that goal was. For England fans it must come as a bitter reminder of why, despite considerable promise, they continue to flop and fail at major tournaments (if, indeed, they even manage to qualify for them).

Teams on these islands are conditioned, from early age, to practice a dynamic ("get the ball forward quickly") form of high-energy kick 'n' rush.

Patience, probing, and the confidence to retain possession until just the right moment (the qualities that allow you to score goals like that) have never, alas, been actively encouraged.

They also, of course, help you win major tournaments. After all, it's just these virtues (and not Samba!) that the whole Brazilian ethos is built on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d forgotten quite how beautiful that goal was. For England fans it must come as a bitter reminder of why, despite considerable promise, they continue to flop and fail at major tournaments (if, indeed, they even manage to qualify for them).</p>
<p>Teams on these islands are conditioned, from early age, to practice a dynamic (&#8221;get the ball forward quickly&#8221;) form of high-energy kick &#8216;n&#8217; rush.</p>
<p>Patience, probing, and the confidence to retain possession until just the right moment (the qualities that allow you to score goals like that) have never, alas, been actively encouraged.</p>
<p>They also, of course, help you win major tournaments. After all, it&#8217;s just these virtues (and not Samba!) that the whole Brazilian ethos is built on.</p>
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		<title>By: Fergal</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 12:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doh! Still, at least I got another footballer. I could have confused him with &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meyer_Bosman" rel="nofollow"&gt;Meyer Bosman&lt;/a&gt; the South African rugby player, &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loots_Bosman" rel="nofollow"&gt;Loots Bosman&lt;/a&gt; the South African cricketer or &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Bosman" rel="nofollow"&gt;Dick Bosman&lt;/a&gt; the American baseball player</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doh! Still, at least I got another footballer. I could have confused him with <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meyer_Bosman" rel="nofollow">Meyer Bosman</a> the South African rugby player, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loots_Bosman" rel="nofollow">Loots Bosman</a> the South African cricketer or <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Bosman" rel="nofollow">Dick Bosman</a> the American baseball player</p>
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		<title>By: Longman Oz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Longman Oz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 11:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everything you say about the Dutch seems fair enough. Although, they at least lifted that trophy in '88, unlike the Croatians or Portuguese, to name two other countries with recent "golden generation" teams.

P.S. You may have your Bosmans in a twist. The one of European ruling fame was a Belgian journeyman pro called Jean-Marc!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everything you say about the Dutch seems fair enough. Although, they at least lifted that trophy in &#8216;88, unlike the Croatians or Portuguese, to name two other countries with recent &#8220;golden generation&#8221; teams.</p>
<p>P.S. You may have your Bosmans in a twist. The one of European ruling fame was a Belgian journeyman pro called Jean-Marc!</p>
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