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	<title>Comments on: Spain: The Shabby Case - the Shabbier the better?</title>
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		<title>By: fústar</title>
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		<dc:creator>fústar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 11:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Interesting shoot-out stats there Fustar.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Argentina are probably the only team who push the Germans even reasonably close in the "balls of steel" stakes, True, they did lose their last shootout in 2006 - but you'll remember who that was against. The Germans! 



&lt;blockquote&gt;But really, a victory for any of the three remaining non-german teams would make me happy.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



While I'm sure an improbable Turkish victory on Wednesday would have me leaping from my seat with joy, I'd actually nearly prefer a German win for the sake of a competitive final. Whoever wins on Thursday will have my unwavering support. I'm leaning toward the Russians, because rarely (if ever) have I seen a relatively unfancied team completely dominate illustrious opponents in the way they did on Saturday. It was magical stuff - relentless and unshakably confident.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Interesting shoot-out stats there Fustar.</p></blockquote>
<p>Argentina are probably the only team who push the Germans even reasonably close in the &#8220;balls of steel&#8221; stakes, True, they did lose their last shootout in 2006 - but you&#8217;ll remember who that was against. The Germans! </p>
<blockquote><p>But really, a victory for any of the three remaining non-german teams would make me happy.</p></blockquote>
<p>While I&#8217;m sure an improbable Turkish victory on Wednesday would have me leaping from my seat with joy, I&#8217;d actually nearly prefer a German win for the sake of a competitive final. Whoever wins on Thursday will have my unwavering support. I&#8217;m leaning toward the Russians, because rarely (if ever) have I seen a relatively unfancied team completely dominate illustrious opponents in the way they did on Saturday. It was magical stuff - relentless and unshakably confident.</p>
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		<title>By: Fergal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fergal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 10:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting shoot-out stats there Fustar. I had always classed Italy along with Germany as one of those balls-of-steel teams who could be relied upon not to flake when it came to penos. It seems this perception had no basis in fact.

"who’d bet against an irrepressible young gang of Russians?"


In days of old, the BBC used to "adopt" a lowly non-league club playing in the qualifying rounds of the FA Cup, pledging to follow them "all the way to Wembley". Usually the chosen team would be beaten in their first game. Undaunted, the beeb would simply adopt the team that beat them, and continue in this manner until the final. In that spirit, I'm attaching my affections to the Russians, who won this dubious honour by beating my Dutch boys. But really, a victory for any of the three remaining non-german teams would make me happy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting shoot-out stats there Fustar. I had always classed Italy along with Germany as one of those balls-of-steel teams who could be relied upon not to flake when it came to penos. It seems this perception had no basis in fact.</p>
<p>&#8220;who’d bet against an irrepressible young gang of Russians?&#8221;</p>
<p>In days of old, the BBC used to &#8220;adopt&#8221; a lowly non-league club playing in the qualifying rounds of the FA Cup, pledging to follow them &#8220;all the way to Wembley&#8221;. Usually the chosen team would be beaten in their first game. Undaunted, the beeb would simply adopt the team that beat them, and continue in this manner until the final. In that spirit, I&#8217;m attaching my affections to the Russians, who won this dubious honour by beating my Dutch boys. But really, a victory for any of the three remaining non-german teams would make me happy.</p>
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		<title>By: fústar</title>
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		<dc:creator>fústar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 08:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought that Italy were shoo-ins based on the way the game had gone - &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; because of their record.

Going into last night's shootout Italy's record (in major tournaments) was played 6, won 2, lost 4 (now lost 5). Not wildly impressive. Spain weren't much better - played 5, won 2, lost 3. Darragh Moloney suggested that Spain's only previous victory in a penalty shootout was against Ireland (bah!) in 2002. Not true - they beat Denmark in the Euro 84 semi-final on pens. Go stand in the corner, Darragh...

Anyway, a major psychological barrier has been overcome by the Spanish. In years gone by they'd almost inevitably have bottled it in such circumstances. They'd have gone into the shootout feeling wounded and aggrieved by the Italian approach (and their own inability to turn constant pressure into goals - or clear cut chances) and they'd have blown it. 

They've every chance of winning it now - though who'd bet against an irrepressible young gang of Russians?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought that Italy were shoo-ins based on the way the game had gone - <em>not</em> because of their record.</p>
<p>Going into last night&#8217;s shootout Italy&#8217;s record (in major tournaments) was played 6, won 2, lost 4 (now lost 5). Not wildly impressive. Spain weren&#8217;t much better - played 5, won 2, lost 3. Darragh Moloney suggested that Spain&#8217;s only previous victory in a penalty shootout was against Ireland (bah!) in 2002. Not true - they beat Denmark in the Euro 84 semi-final on pens. Go stand in the corner, Darragh&#8230;</p>
<p>Anyway, a major psychological barrier has been overcome by the Spanish. In years gone by they&#8217;d almost inevitably have bottled it in such circumstances. They&#8217;d have gone into the shootout feeling wounded and aggrieved by the Italian approach (and their own inability to turn constant pressure into goals - or clear cut chances) and they&#8217;d have blown it. </p>
<p>They&#8217;ve every chance of winning it now - though who&#8217;d bet against an irrepressible young gang of Russians?</p>
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		<title>By: Fergal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fergal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 22:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn't have bet on Italy losing a shootout. There's always the possibility that, far from revelling in a new-found reliability, the Spanish are merely ratcheting up their traditional choking game by leaving it until later in the tournament. Still, if ever there was a choking test, a shoot-out against Italy would surely be surpassed only by a shoot-out against Germany (an eventuality which may yet emerge).

I hadn't paid him much attention until I read Gobsheen's amusing reference to the "hilarious "won't he or won't he?" Luca Toni scoring show", but Jaysus, that Toni is &lt;em&gt;donkey&lt;/em&gt;, isn't he? He's like a big lumpy "stopper" from a mid-table premiership club who decided one day he wanted to be a striker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t have bet on Italy losing a shootout. There&#8217;s always the possibility that, far from revelling in a new-found reliability, the Spanish are merely ratcheting up their traditional choking game by leaving it until later in the tournament. Still, if ever there was a choking test, a shoot-out against Italy would surely be surpassed only by a shoot-out against Germany (an eventuality which may yet emerge).</p>
<p>I hadn&#8217;t paid him much attention until I read Gobsheen&#8217;s amusing reference to the &#8220;hilarious &#8220;won&#8217;t he or won&#8217;t he?&#8221; Luca Toni scoring show&#8221;, but Jaysus, that Toni is <em>donkey</em>, isn&#8217;t he? He&#8217;s like a big lumpy &#8220;stopper&#8221; from a mid-table premiership club who decided one day he wanted to be a striker.</p>
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		<title>By: fústar</title>
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		<dc:creator>fústar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 21:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;This is beginning to look like penalties...&lt;/blockquote&gt;



Well I was right.



&lt;blockquote&gt;...and I can only see one winner there. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I was wrong (I meant, of course, d'Italians)! And very glad to be wrong. Sapin showed some &lt;em&gt;cojones&lt;/em&gt; considering the circumstances. Bye Bye Italy. You will not be missed.

Now we've got Spain v Russia part 2 to look forward to. Bring it on!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>This is beginning to look like penalties&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>Well I was right.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;and I can only see one winner there. </p></blockquote>
<p>I was wrong (I meant, of course, d&#8217;Italians)! And very glad to be wrong. Sapin showed some <em>cojones</em> considering the circumstances. Bye Bye Italy. You will not be missed.</p>
<p>Now we&#8217;ve got Spain v Russia part 2 to look forward to. Bring it on!</p>
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		<title>By: fústar</title>
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		<dc:creator>fústar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 20:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is beginning to look like penalties - and I can only see one winner there. Even if Italy get through Russia have it in them to tear them to shreds if they play anything like they did against Holland - so the grinders may get their comeuppance yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is beginning to look like penalties - and I can only see one winner there. Even if Italy get through Russia have it in them to tear them to shreds if they play anything like they did against Holland - so the grinders may get their comeuppance yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Bock the Robber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bock the Robber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 20:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I fear we'll see boring, boring Italy playing Germany in the final.  And I fear that we'll see them grind their negative way to a 1-0 win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fear we&#8217;ll see boring, boring Italy playing Germany in the final.  And I fear that we&#8217;ll see them grind their negative way to a 1-0 win.</p>
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		<title>By: fústar</title>
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		<dc:creator>fústar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 19:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1/2 time and 2 observations.

1) No Xabi.

2) So far Spain are doing &lt;em&gt;exactly&lt;/em&gt; as you feared. It's currently got 1-0 to Italy written all over it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1/2 time and 2 observations.</p>
<p>1) No Xabi.</p>
<p>2) So far Spain are doing <em>exactly</em> as you feared. It&#8217;s currently got 1-0 to Italy written all over it.</p>
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