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		<title>By: Pissing (once more) on Bishops: Let&#8217;s Get Blasphemous - Fustar - Recycling Cultural Waste Since 2005</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pissing (once more) on Bishops: Let&#8217;s Get Blasphemous - Fustar - Recycling Cultural Waste Since 2005</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 07:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: fÃºstar</title>
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		<dc:creator>fÃºstar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 12:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;You have &lt;em&gt;such&lt;/em&gt;&lt;em&gt; a graphic sensibility.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

*blushes with false modesty* Aw...thanks. I can do you some nice &quot;stink lines&quot; emanating from a turd too if you&#039;d like.


&lt;blockquote&gt;
Iâ€™m off to town to await arrest in my GUARDS LOVE GOATSE t-shirt. The distended anus is made from a toilet roll insert.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Good man. This is the kind of provocative cut and paste approach we need in troubled times. Let me know how you get on.

Though if you &lt;em&gt;do&lt;/em&gt; get busted (by a Garda Flynn) then I&#039;ll be denying any involvement in helping to inspire the stunt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You have <em>such</em><em> a graphic sensibility.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>*blushes with false modesty* Aw&#8230;thanks. I can do you some nice &#8220;stink lines&#8221; emanating from a turd too if you&#8217;d like.</p>
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Iâ€™m off to town to await arrest in my GUARDS LOVE GOATSE t-shirt. The distended anus is made from a toilet roll insert.</p></blockquote>
<p>Good man. This is the kind of provocative cut and paste approach we need in troubled times. Let me know how you get on.</p>
<p>Though if you <em>do</em> get busted (by a Garda Flynn) then I&#8217;ll be denying any involvement in helping to inspire the stunt.</p>
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		<title>By: fÃºstar</title>
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		<dc:creator>fÃºstar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 12:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>â€œAnd this bishop: Tell me Garda Flynn, did he appear to enjoy being pissed on by this sexy cartoon horse?â€?</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m not a fan of LOLs or ROFLMAOs or similar mirth abbreviations but I did nearly piss my trousers when I read that.</p>
<p>&#8220;And tell me Garda Flynn: Are you totally convinced, in you own mind, that this crude dotted line represented piss?  I mean, it could have been indicative of,  for example, machine gun fire. The comics I read as a lad were full of such imagery.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Green Ink</title>
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		<dc:creator>Green Ink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 17:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
Trails of pee can easily be rendered with a simple dotted line.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You have &lt;em&gt;such&lt;/em&gt; a graphic sensibility.
I&#039;m off to town to await arrest in my GUARDS LOVE GOATSE t-shirt. The distended anus is made from a toilet roll insert.</description>
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Trails of pee can easily be rendered with a simple dotted line.
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<p>You have <em>such</em> a graphic sensibility.<br />
I&#8217;m off to town to await arrest in my GUARDS LOVE GOATSE t-shirt. The distended anus is made from a toilet roll insert.</p>
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		<title>By: Fergal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fergal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 16:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was a bloke done for contempt a few years ago for wearing a &quot;Never Mind the Bollocks&quot; t-shirt to court. But that is specific to a court-room setting. I&#039;d love to know

(a) How transgressive a t-shirt would have to be to get you arrested; and
(b) How you&#039;d get on in court.

I imagine it playing out like this. The guards arrest and charge you. Eventually they send you off home, forgetting to take the t-shirt from you. You turn up on your court date and the Guard decides that he&#039;d rather drop the whole thing than have to describe, red-facedly, the filthy contents of your vile t-shirt in a level of detail sufficient to ensure a conviction. Man, I&#039;d love to be cross-examining in that one. 

&quot;And this bishop: Tell me Garda Flynn, did he appear to enjoy being pissed on by this sexy cartoon horse?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was a bloke done for contempt a few years ago for wearing a &#8220;Never Mind the Bollocks&#8221; t-shirt to court. But that is specific to a court-room setting. I&#8217;d love to know</p>
<p>(a) How transgressive a t-shirt would have to be to get you arrested; and<br />
(b) How you&#8217;d get on in court.</p>
<p>I imagine it playing out like this. The guards arrest and charge you. Eventually they send you off home, forgetting to take the t-shirt from you. You turn up on your court date and the Guard decides that he&#8217;d rather drop the whole thing than have to describe, red-facedly, the filthy contents of your vile t-shirt in a level of detail sufficient to ensure a conviction. Man, I&#8217;d love to be cross-examining in that one. </p>
<p>&#8220;And this bishop: Tell me Garda Flynn, did he appear to enjoy being pissed on by this sexy cartoon horse?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: fÃºstar</title>
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		<dc:creator>fÃºstar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 09:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bah! Let&#039;s go for the totally home-made, cut up bits of felt and marker approach instead. The cruder the better. Trails of pee can easily be rendered with a simple dotted line.

I might ask Ruth to knock up something:
http://nicedaydesigns-ruth.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bah! Let&#8217;s go for the totally home-made, cut up bits of felt and marker approach instead. The cruder the better. Trails of pee can easily be rendered with a simple dotted line.</p>
<p>I might ask Ruth to knock up something:<br />
<a href="http://nicedaydesigns-ruth.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://nicedaydesigns-ruth.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Green Ink</title>
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		<dc:creator>Green Ink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 16:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s off to Spreadshirt and try a few.</description>
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		<title>By: fÃºstar</title>
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		<dc:creator>fÃºstar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 14:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, just to kick start this again - How &lt;em&gt;would&lt;/em&gt; the law (in Ireland) deal with a particularly inflammatory and obscene self-made t-shirt? The reason I use a t-shirt as an example is because it&#039;s obviously not &quot;published&quot; in the normal sense of the word. It&#039;s probably more of a performative object - if you see what I mean.

Simon suggested to me that what might happen would be a) The guards haul you in on some sort of public disorder rap, and, b) They say they&#039;ll let the judge sort out the degree of legal transgression (if any).

Thoughts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, just to kick start this again &#8211; How <em>would</em> the law (in Ireland) deal with a particularly inflammatory and obscene self-made t-shirt? The reason I use a t-shirt as an example is because it&#8217;s obviously not &#8220;published&#8221; in the normal sense of the word. It&#8217;s probably more of a performative object &#8211; if you see what I mean.</p>
<p>Simon suggested to me that what might happen would be a) The guards haul you in on some sort of public disorder rap, and, b) They say they&#8217;ll let the judge sort out the degree of legal transgression (if any).</p>
<p>Thoughts?</p>
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		<title>By: fÃºstar</title>
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		<dc:creator>fÃºstar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 10:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Thereâ€™s a gulf of difference between satire and emulation.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Indeed. The stuff that dominates the Irish scene seems to be driven primarily by a desire to be entertaining (and to do amusing voices) rather than anger. Anger is at the bottom of all good satire I reckon. It&#039;s only a starting point of course. You still need to be funny (obviously) and capable of crafting decent comedy/satire. If you&#039;re too satisfied and content with the way things are then, almost inevitably, the results will merely be, say, wigs and high-larious nasally voices etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Thereâ€™s a gulf of difference between satire and emulation.</p></blockquote>
<p>Indeed. The stuff that dominates the Irish scene seems to be driven primarily by a desire to be entertaining (and to do amusing voices) rather than anger. Anger is at the bottom of all good satire I reckon. It&#8217;s only a starting point of course. You still need to be funny (obviously) and capable of crafting decent comedy/satire. If you&#8217;re too satisfied and content with the way things are then, almost inevitably, the results will merely be, say, wigs and high-larious nasally voices etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Green Ink</title>
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		<dc:creator>Green Ink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 02:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a gulf of difference between satire and emulation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a gulf of difference between satire and emulation.</p>
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		<title>By: fÃºstar</title>
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		<dc:creator>fÃºstar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 01:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The radio stuff like Gift Grub, or the watery Bull Island is all about gas caricatures of gas characters.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Absolutely. And the &quot;targets&quot; enjoy it! I&#039;ve visions of Bertie Ahern seeing one of the &lt;em&gt;Bull Island&lt;/em&gt; crew at the Galway races and giving him the old &quot;You&#039;re an awful man!&quot; nod, wink and grin. Off they go to have a pint together and suck each other off. 

RE: &lt;em&gt;Gift Grub&lt;/em&gt; - it&#039;s notable that it&#039;s slotted into the show of one of Ireland&#039;s most relentless &quot;Ah now&quot; men - Ian Dempsey. &quot;Ah now, you shouldn&#039;t be slaggin&#039; off Boyzone. They&#039;re great for the country&quot; et cetera, et fucking cunty cetera.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The radio stuff like Gift Grub, or the watery Bull Island is all about gas caricatures of gas characters.</p></blockquote>
<p>Absolutely. And the &#8220;targets&#8221; enjoy it! I&#8217;ve visions of Bertie Ahern seeing one of the <em>Bull Island</em> crew at the Galway races and giving him the old &#8220;You&#8217;re an awful man!&#8221; nod, wink and grin. Off they go to have a pint together and suck each other off. </p>
<p>RE: <em>Gift Grub</em> &#8211; it&#8217;s notable that it&#8217;s slotted into the show of one of Ireland&#8217;s most relentless &#8220;Ah now&#8221; men &#8211; Ian Dempsey. &#8220;Ah now, you shouldn&#8217;t be slaggin&#8217; off Boyzone. They&#8217;re great for the country&#8221; et cetera, et fucking cunty cetera.</p>
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		<title>By: Fergal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fergal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 22:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The cosiness of Irish satire is indeed its greatest weekness. The radio stuff like Gift Grub, or the watery Bull Island is all about gas caricatures of gas characters. They&#039;re &quot;poking fun&quot; when they should be forcibly shoving the noses of the powerful into their own turds and shouting in a barely hinged manner &quot;how&#039;d you like it now, huh? Not so much fun now is it? Is it, punk?&quot;

The Colbert speech to the White House Press Association illustrates how it should be done. It didn&#039;t get big laughs from the audience (&quot;Ah now&quot; types to a man), but it has aged well because it hit hard. Satire isn&#039;t supposed to be a bit of fun. If you can&#039;t even offend the target, let alone anyone in the audience, it&#039;s not satire at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The cosiness of Irish satire is indeed its greatest weekness. The radio stuff like Gift Grub, or the watery Bull Island is all about gas caricatures of gas characters. They&#8217;re &#8220;poking fun&#8221; when they should be forcibly shoving the noses of the powerful into their own turds and shouting in a barely hinged manner &#8220;how&#8217;d you like it now, huh? Not so much fun now is it? Is it, punk?&#8221;</p>
<p>The Colbert speech to the White House Press Association illustrates how it should be done. It didn&#8217;t get big laughs from the audience (&#8221;Ah now&#8221; types to a man), but it has aged well because it hit hard. Satire isn&#8217;t supposed to be a bit of fun. If you can&#8217;t even offend the target, let alone anyone in the audience, it&#8217;s not satire at all.</p>
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		<title>By: fÃºstar</title>
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		<dc:creator>fÃºstar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 22:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm...thinking about it again the UK situation does seem to allow someone to  claim &quot;Yes, I did, as an artist, set out to &lt;em&gt;intentionally&lt;/em&gt; create obscenity and depravity, but I did so to serve a public good&quot; (Exposing hypocrisy in public/religious discourse or whatever it might be). 

Our situation, in contrast, doesn&#039;t seem to allow this kind of defence of radical, intentional art/performance etc. You have to climb down and say - &quot;Sorry lads. I didn&#039;t mean to upset anyone. Or cause anyone to become mad and depraved&quot;. You can&#039;t, in other words, come over bullishly avant-garde and defiant. Unsurprising. The &quot;Ah now&quot; culture triumphs again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230;thinking about it again the UK situation does seem to allow someone to  claim &#8220;Yes, I did, as an artist, set out to <em>intentionally</em> create obscenity and depravity, but I did so to serve a public good&#8221; (Exposing hypocrisy in public/religious discourse or whatever it might be). </p>
<p>Our situation, in contrast, doesn&#8217;t seem to allow this kind of defence of radical, intentional art/performance etc. You have to climb down and say &#8211; &#8220;Sorry lads. I didn&#8217;t mean to upset anyone. Or cause anyone to become mad and depraved&#8221;. You can&#8217;t, in other words, come over bullishly avant-garde and defiant. Unsurprising. The &#8220;Ah now&#8221; culture triumphs again.</p>
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		<title>By: fÃºstar</title>
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		<dc:creator>fÃºstar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 22:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>devo, Are you sure it&#039;s not Bambi pissing on Jiminy Cricket? You &lt;em&gt;are&lt;/em&gt; short-sighted and notoriously prone to glasses-losing after all. Either way, it&#039;s a bold new bid by Disney to capture an edgy yoof market.

Green Ink, For more of this kind of logic check out Hammer&#039;s fantastic R&lt;em&gt;asputin: the Mad Monk&lt;/em&gt; with Christopher Lee. Says the bould Rasputin: 


&lt;blockquote&gt;
When I go to confession I don&#039;t offer God small sins, petty squabbles, jealousies... I offer him sins worth forgiving! &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Best ever excuse for boozing and riding all round you.

Stanners, Fergal,

Well &lt;em&gt;obviously&lt;/em&gt; the great, weak-minded unwashed are far closer to the rutting beasts of the fields and forests than port-swigging/coke-snorting gentlemen of learning and privilege like ourselves. We can handle it. They, at the drop of a nightie, will be lashing it into each other hysterically, It&#039;s, like, for their own good y&#039;know. Ungrateful bastards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>devo, Are you sure it&#8217;s not Bambi pissing on Jiminy Cricket? You <em>are</em> short-sighted and notoriously prone to glasses-losing after all. Either way, it&#8217;s a bold new bid by Disney to capture an edgy yoof market.</p>
<p>Green Ink, For more of this kind of logic check out Hammer&#8217;s fantastic R<em>asputin: the Mad Monk</em> with Christopher Lee. Says the bould Rasputin: </p>
<blockquote><p>
When I go to confession I don&#8217;t offer God small sins, petty squabbles, jealousies&#8230; I offer him sins worth forgiving! </p></blockquote>
<p>Best ever excuse for boozing and riding all round you.</p>
<p>Stanners, Fergal,</p>
<p>Well <em>obviously</em> the great, weak-minded unwashed are far closer to the rutting beasts of the fields and forests than port-swigging/coke-snorting gentlemen of learning and privilege like ourselves. We can handle it. They, at the drop of a nightie, will be lashing it into each other hysterically, It&#8217;s, like, for their own good y&#8217;know. Ungrateful bastards.</p>
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		<title>By: Fergal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fergal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 22:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;intent&quot; thing also offers you an out if you can show you were effectively operating unbder very different standards of public decency. &quot;How was I to know it was obscene guv, it&#039;s all perfectly acceptable where I come from&quot; &quot;Which is?&quot; &quot;Er, Prosperous, Co. Kildare. We have our own special ways there&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;intent&#8221; thing also offers you an out if you can show you were effectively operating unbder very different standards of public decency. &#8220;How was I to know it was obscene guv, it&#8217;s all perfectly acceptable where I come from&#8221; &#8220;Which is?&#8221; &#8220;Er, Prosperous, Co. Kildare. We have our own special ways there&#8221;</p>
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